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Female
Fr. China
Topic: About your personal experience with racism
A lot of issues about racism and indifference have been discussed lately in this forum. I am sure most people have bad experiences dealing with individuals that belong to different ethnic groups.

My experience was when I was asking about the use of computer in an internet bar in NZ. The Maori owner did not even look at me but his face quickly lighted up and smiled when suddenly another customer (white, probably a tourist) came in inquiring at him. Next experience was I and my fiance went for an evening walk and came across with a group of Kiwi teens. 1 or 2 of them suddenly jerk forward at me and shouted “Ah!” I was just surprise and just thought it was weird. On the positive note, I was greeted 2-3 times by fellow tourist. They were from Australia. I stayed in NZ for 10 days only.

I had been to Phils. People there are usually friendly to outsiders. They smile and are easy going people. For MH & NZ, I notice that usually most people tend to be around their own racial group.
10 Dec 2011
Female
Fr. China
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This is an ASK section, right? So I hope to ask you guys to share your experiences. Hopefully, it can be easily classified as a bad case of racism. Racism is everywhere. Let us try not to do the same thing to others.

PS. To clarify why this is in ASK than “Sharing Experience”, it is because Sharing Experience is especially for XMN expats about XMN.
10 Dec 2011


replied by lilviz2001 on 16:09:26 29 Apr
@Ziggy my first racism experience was here in China and it's even worse that there are a lot of ignorant Chinese. Worst is that they do it without caution. Of course China is not the only racist country or place but even people in authority and public officers display this attitude which I have experienced on several occasions.
Female
Fr. New Zealand
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Hi Ziggy,
I just want to apologise for the unpleasant experiences you had in NZ. I don't know whether you could definitely classify your examples as racism, perhaps, but it just shows the immaturity of some people.Of course there are racists in NZ as well everywhere else. (I have no doubt that if other kiwis had witnessed this sort of behaviour towards you then they would be disappointed and ashamed as well.)

As for me, (since that was the question,)I have had very rude service in China as well but the majority of Chinese are very friendly and helpful. I put them up there with the Irish! :-)
10 Dec 2011


Female
Fr. New Zealand
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Hi Ziggy,
I just want to apologise for the unpleasant experiences you had in NZ. I don't know whether you could definitely classify your examples as racism, perhaps, but it just shows the immaturity of some people.Of course there are racists in NZ as well everywhere else. (I have no doubt that if other kiwis had witnessed this sort of behaviour towards you then they would be disappointed and ashamed as well.)

As for me, (since this was the question,)I have had very rude service in China as well but the majority of Chinese are very friendly and helpful. I put them up there with the Irish! :-)
10 Dec 2011


Female
Fr. New Zealand
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PS: I just want to add, NZ is very anti racism. We are a very multi-cultural society. As such, if someone commits an offence against someone (eg: Offensive Behaviour/Threatening Behaviour/Assault or anything else,) and there's any indication it was racially motivated, the judge will take this into account and the penalty is much higher.
10 Dec 2011


Male
Fr. Philippines
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I love you ziggy. See, we Filipinos are really cheery people. :)
10 Dec 2011


Male
Fr. United Kingdom
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I was in a restaurant near the train station a couple of years ago with a Chinese friend. A girl behind us, assuming that we couldn't understand her, told her friend "Oh I bet that girl is a foreigner because I would rather be with the ugliest Chinese guy than with a foreigner!"

It's also happened a couple of times that I would order food in a restaurant in Chinese, the waiter, understanding everything I said and writing down my order, would then ask me questions about my order looking and speaking to my Chinese friend, as if I couldn't speak Chinese. On both occasions I then replied to his face, he wrote down what I said and then continued to ignore me and ask my friend follow up questions regarding my order. If that happened in England with an Asian I would speak with the manger and kick up a real fuss.

Actually, the most disgusting experience of racism I've had here in Xiamen was when a Chinese hotel manager physically pushed my Chinese colleague away with his hand when she was speaking to him so that he could continue to speak with an English friend of mine and I. I wrote a letter of complaint to 12 departments of that hotel and got not a single reply. If that had happened in England I would have considered suing.

Anyway, racism is everywhere. Chinese people are generally really lovely, friendly and sweet. All we can do is work on our own minds and try to become better examples as well as standing up against such disgusting behaviour in as skilful and compassionate way as possible.
10 Dec 2011


Male
Fr. China
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Oh poor thing,i dont have the opportunity to be despised.Is that a privilege?
10 Dec 2011


Female
Fr. China
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Thank you for sharing you experiences. I hope more people will share their experiences, keep awareness, sensitivity and learn towards understanding.

Just to explain my statement about people tend to be around their own racial group. I don’t mean it in a racist mind set. I meant that maybe we can encourage friendship with different people. I think Philippine is a good example of that.

@Jimtan. I am blushed! =) (In a good way)
10 Dec 2011


Male
Fr. New Zealand
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Yeah, occassionally you do see racism in NZ, but I reckon its already a lot better than many other western countries.

Especially Auckland is more multi-cultural than the other cities. but ignorance is everywhere.

Am I a victim of racism in china if I keep getting stopped by the chinese police because they thought I somehow looked like a Xinjiang person? I have even had my bags searched when trying to enter museums or tourist sights. (i.e. I was the only person pulled aside while all my chinese friends just walked through)

Luckily I carry a copy of my passport with me everywhere, so they let me go as soon as they see it.
10 Dec 2011


Female
Fr. China
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Hmmm. i have a good example! One day we walked with customers in Zhongshan road area and we planned to take a taxi to Harbor view hotel.

As we know it's really hard to take the taxi in that area. then suddenly a taxi driver stopped and we got in. he said to me," actually, i didn't like stopping here ,but i found you were with foreign friends,hahaha.",then i mentioned this to my customers and they were quite happy!!haha
10 Dec 2011


Female
Fr. New Zealand
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"It demands great spiritual resilience not to hate the hater whose foot is on your neck, and an even greater miracle of perception and charity not to teach your child to hate" Jame Arthur Baldwin.

Just remember we are all human and there are good apples and bad apples everywhere. It is up to you to turn a bad experience into something you will learn and grow from. Don't make it about you - don't pass on the hatred - pass on the love.

In true hippy form now! Sorry to hear about your treatment in New Zealand. Please remember we are not all like that.

Peace out!
10 Dec 2011


Male
Fr. United Kingdom
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1. In Guangzhou, I worked with a realtor to rent an apartment. Everything was arranged but the following day I got a call from the realtor to say the deal was off because the landlord didn't want to rent to a foreigner.

2. Chinese often tell me they don't like blacks - they find them scary and ugly. I'm not black but I find this horribly offensive.

3. Chinese often tell me that people will try and cheat me more because I am a foreigner.

Despite the good side of China, it's unbelievably racist compared to other countries. And what gets me is that people don't seem to even think it's wrong.
11 Dec 2011


Male
Fr. China
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Anyone who says that Chinese are not racist either has no idea about China or is one of those 'I love my Country' robots that you meet all the time here.

Disgusting! And I am sorry on behalf of a Chinese who realises how ridiculous most of my fellow Chinese are.

Like Cannonball said, people don't think it is wrong. I grew up thinking that black people were ugly monkeys - I didn't hate them, I just thought they were ugly monkeys from the jungle. Nobody stopped me having this opinion
11 Dec 2011


replied by lilviz2001 on 16:13:05 29 Apr
True, adults do not even caution their children when they make statement like "hei gui" or display those ignorant antics.
Male
Fr. China
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not my parents or friends or teachers, nobody! Even among my educated friends who graduated from Xiada, it is still acceptable to have that view and to express that opinion. Nobody stopped me until I lived in London for a few years. Then I really noticed how disgusting and racist China really is.

I was really surprised that in London, you cannot even say the word 'foreigner' without people thinking you are a bit rude. I used the word 'negro' and all the white people got very angry at me. I can see that for most Westerners, you cannot just joke about racism, people will stop you. But here in China, nobody will stop you. The thinking in the West is COMPLETELY different!!!

In London everybody is equal, people really don't care what your skin colour is. I had black friends and realised that they weren't ugly monkeys. And then I came back to China and I want to be sick. Chinese people don't even think they are racism, but when you show them a picture of Naomi Campbell or Jamie Fox they all say 'Noooo, I could never be with a black girl/black guy!'

So, wake up robots, China is ridiculously racist and the next time I hear something racism I will slap him in the face!"
11 Dec 2011


Female
Fr. China
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I, like most Chinese, often times find it hard to overcome issues related to history and I think that is the major cause of Chinese racial disliking to west.

Assuming one has better (beautiful/strong/smart) race is shameful.

@Prudjafa. No worries. I know it was isolated case for someone to be treated like thin air. =)

@Chinese people. Warning! MrKent understands Chinese very well and is not a thin air. So be careful around foreigners.

@MrKent. I hope you pushed the guy 3x harder than he pushed your Chinese colleague friend. We will support you on that!

@Navman. =) When I passed the security check after showing passport, ticket and x-ray of my luggage and being dismissed by the first officer. Near the exit of that room, another officer required me to open on my 1 luggage for her to check. Usually, they should only do that during x-ray when they see something doubtful. Unlucky me..it would be better if she came up and said I won a million NZD. =)

@ Penny, I think there is a term for “opposite hate racism”. Hmmm.. I forgot.
11 Dec 2011


Male
Fr. New Zealand
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@ziggy. Hard to blame your security check inconvenience on racism, NZ is very careful at its borders. I am a Kiwi and spent 30 minutes having every magazine in my carry on checked page by page in NZ - but always straight through in China. Most of it is to keep out pests (pathogens not races)and drugs.
Sorry to hear you had a bad experience in NZ as Jaffa says most of us enjoy our multiculturalism and have a fairly low tolerance to racism
11 Dec 2011


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