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Fr. Germany
Topic: Sketchy English Teaching Industry in China

The Nanfang / Blog Charles Liu Charles Liu EmailFeed Haohao 2      3 Comments     3 Comments  CCTV Investigates Sketchy English Teaching Industry in China 

04 Sep 2014
Fr. Germany
Oh snap. Don't know how to edit the post...WOX please shorten the title. Cheers.
04 Sep 2014

Fr. Greenland
The link you show has a comment with a very true answer to the problem:

"... let's face it. If you were a qualified teacher, than you probably wouldn't go to China. You would probably go to South Korea or Japan."
04 Sep 2014

replied by T-life on 20:31:39 04 Sep
Strongly disagree. In Japan you are underpaid and in S. Korea the students don't respect foreign teachers I'm told.
replied by otto on 10:25:24 05 Sep
Underpaid in Japan? I never heard of that. Maybe in the center of e.g. Tokyo life is too expensive. Respect is something you must earn. For sure not easy being a teacher but it is part of the job.
replied by W00ki33 on 13:48:38 05 Sep
@t-life The kids here don't respect foreign teachers! I see no difference.
replied by XMren on 01:52:43 06 Sep
I want to disagree on that Wookie, but actually I can't. At university, foreign teachers have some respect from students, because students know foreigners have a special cultural value.
But in middle school and high school, I think kids don't care about foreign teachers because the latters don't have any power on grades and punishments. Kids only respect grades and punishments, at that age...
Fr. Germany
I think the crackdown is good and necessary. Too many unqualified kids coming here to teach, and their only "experience" is having English as their mother language.
04 Sep 2014

replied by mabelette on 00:24:56 08 Sep
I entirely agree
Fr. United Kingdom
Agree! Particularly in Xiamen the foreign students who'teach at 100/hour, undercutting the industry.

Study Chinese or piss off.
04 Sep 2014

replied by RedCynic on 20:03:11 04 Sep

See how it gets bigger with each sentence?

replied by W00ki33 on 23:00:20 04 Sep
Get off this site, solly. You're a negative influence, and you don't even live here anymore.
replied by stuntmansolly on 00:31:07 05 Sep
Sending you a bag of dicks as we speak via DHL - fresh out the cock-oven.. Enjoy them.

Try not to suck on all of them at once - you might choke (hmmm, that might not be a bad thing).

I'm not in Xiamen now but I'm in your head.

Oh, tracked your IP, might meet up with you for a 'chat'.
Fr. Nigeria
To some this is great news and to some this is a disaster. I guess if you are on the former, it might mean a better salary and if among the latter, you have to learn a better means of masking the "illegality" lest you are caught.

Wishing each group good luck!
04 Sep 2014

Fr. France
The employment black market is huge, like so many illegal practices in China. Why focusing on the tiny percentage that illegal working foreigners represents (moreover helping with the education system)?
A lot of foreigners come to China for life experience, then teach English. True, some are not good for education, but some are excellent at what they are doing. Most do just fine for what they are asked to do.
Remove these unexperienced foreign teachers and you get a huge shortage of foreign teachers in China.

Now the good thing about these crackdowns is that it may allow more foreign teachers to work with a decent, proper visa, as the schools won't have other options but to get them one if they really want white faces.
05 Sep 2014

replied by Carlito on 08:15:39 05 Sep
I agree with what you are saying, but at the end, you kind of said the same thing why I said it was good.

BTW, my son just started first grade and they do not teach English anymore!

Anybody know why? Is it some China first thing?
replied by XMren on 01:49:11 06 Sep
Ok, your post was a bit short, so I didn't read we were on the same view. My bad ^^
I heard the government is trying to get people back to their original values (the new generations are all for foreign/US culture nowadays), and not making learning English as such a big requirement for Chinese society. They have also made some changes in the gaokao examination as well, I believe, downgrading the importance of English.
replied by ozgal on 15:00:45 08 Sep
My son also started 1st grade and they still teach English. So perhaps not all Chinese schools.

Last year's review of Gaokao saw the removal of English as a compulsory subject on par with Maths and Chinese.
Fr. Greenland
@ Carlito

It is part of the (nationalism) plan. First learn from others and copy them, then do without them and become strong(er).

Examples: English will not a major part of the Chinese high school exam anymore. The Army is not allowed to buy foreign or joint-venture cars but just truly Chinese. Less new traffic signs in English.
05 Sep 2014

replied by freebird on 11:53:09 05 Sep
damn, if that's true, Xi is really bringing this "China dream, my dream" to a whole new level. I wonder what's next
replied by XMren on 01:54:01 06 Sep
OK, Otto confirmed what I thought ^^'
Fr. Nigeria
@Otto If this is true, then China is really reforming. I wonder how they would go about it though? As I remember most international organisations use english as their primary language. I may not necessarily like the strong hold the english language has on the world, but that's the reality we have come to see.
05 Sep 2014

replied by W00ki33 on 13:52:40 05 Sep
I agree, the English language is far too ridiculous of a language to be an international language.
Fr. Germany
@Carlito: to my knowledge they only start English as a foreign language in the second grade.
05 Sep 2014

replied by Carlito on 17:33:26 05 Sep
That's why I asked. People told me different reasons. One reason was the one that Otto stated. You say they don't start till second grade. My wife said something like they only have oral English with a native speaking teacher, but my son hasn't told me anything about it...
replied by ozgal on 15:02:30 08 Sep
Both Chinese schools that my children attend start English in the first grade.
Fr. United States
To go with the otto side track:

I just heard that they're switching it from first grade to third grade because kids aren't learning it and using it in first grade. Many are just memorizing it and not actually LEARNING it. So, instead of fixing how many schools teach, they are over-reacting and removing something that could help.
05 Sep 2014

Fr. France
Ah, I wish Xiamen International School had more affordable fees...
06 Sep 2014

Fr. France
To complete Otto's answer. I just discussed the topic with a friend, it turns out English is out of gaokao but it's actually tested under the form of separate exams during the whole high school time. A bit like the CET4/CET6 if you know about it.
So it becomes harder for the students. Before, a student who was bad in English could compensate his bad grade by having good grades in other fields, when having the gaokao. Now students have to get good enough at English, no way to balance the poor grade, no way to escape.
06 Sep 2014

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