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Fr. Canada
Topic: The UN Haque Tribunal Ruled
The UN Haque Tribunal ruled (or opinioned) that China has no “historic title” over the South China Sea. The case was brought to the Hague in 2013 by the Philippines, which challenged China’s sweeping territorial claims that it bases on a 70-year-old map.

China had already vowed to ignore the ruling by the UN’s Permanent Court of Arbitration, saying it has no jurisdiction. China says that the award is null and void and has no binding force. China neither accepts nor recognizes it.

The ruling cannot be enforced. In other words, it is like being written on a piece of disposable toilet tissue paper or similar, ready to be tossed into the loo at any time.

Now what? Has anything really changed before and after the ruling was announced? I really wonder.
13 Jul 2016
Male
Fr. Australia
It looks like the UN Haque Tribunal is another puppet organization of the US hegemonies.

Asia is on the rise, and China is on the rise. Without deliberate check, it is poised China will quickly overtake America as the next economic superpower, this in term will increase China's political influence on the international arena.

Dividing Asia is a wise move to weaken China's while retaining US supremacy and control of the World.

It is sad as China's rise will benefit a lot of the third world countries’ economies and lift many poor countries from poverty. This may offset the wealth of US itself and some countries which are strong alliances of the US. This is exactly what the US hegemonies don’t want to see it happened. Someone have to be slaves to make the master’s life comfortable.

Can you name cases that US has done good for the world? Paradoxically, I can name many bad things that it has done after the cold war ended with USSR.
13 Jul 2016


Male
Fr. United States
@ppan, @choi How did you both come about being citizens of "Western" countries? Did you or your parents decide that citizenship in the West would be better than that in Asia?

If China had no intention of listening to the UN Court of Arbitration, why did it sign on to UNCLOS in the first place?

Yes the U.S. has done bad things. By all means bash the U.S. from the point of view of inclusive, multi-cultural, democratic countries that uphold human rights and have higher standards of living (e.g. Scandinavian countries, Canada), but please don't use China as your gold standard.

If today the people of Hong Kong could vote to remain with China or go back to being a British colony, how do you think they would vote? Indeed, if all adults in China could vote, what do you think the outcome would be?

DISCLAIMER: I am not in favor of separatism. For the record, I believe in a unified China including Taiwan. Hopefully, it will happen one day, but on terms agreeable by a consensus of all the Chinese people.
13 Jul 2016


Male
Fr. United States
@choilee ...I can think of plenty my country has done for the world. Let's start with electricity. Not good enough for you? How about flight? The laundry machine, if nothing fu(king else! Huge advances in spaceflight, which created things like memory foam and microwave ovens

I'm not even going to go into the huge amount of culture(Angry Birds, Plants Vs Zombies, WoW, Friends, you know, things like that). To go back to before: Another thing we gave the world was film.

"Yes", you say, "but how has the US helped China?" Providing over 90% of the war material to China against Japan, including vast amounts of economic aid to what was the government at the time, which was the Republic of China. Doolittle Raid. Cutting off oil to the Japanese when they needed it most to help the Chinese fight them, and then losing half of our entire flight at Pearl Harbor because the Japanese were angry at that, then the Philippines(which was an American territory at the time). Countless US soldiers fought and died the same foe together with the Chinese and helped end fascism in the world.
13 Jul 2016


Male
Fr. Canada
Sagan, I can only speak for myself. Most of my family members holds multiple passports and permanent residence around the world, all acquired through valid qualifications and in-country residence. It is a distinct advantage to hold multiple passports, as many will agree. For example, we can travel the world visa free almost 100% of the time. So, the fact that we hold "western" passport is nothing to brag about and not something to be counted as positive or negative.

As for Hong Kong and Taiwan, we lived in both territories for quite some time in the past. 99.5% of Hong Kong people could not care less about having "full democracy". There never was and thered never will be, not under the British or under Mainland China. "One country two systems" is nothing but a big joke as far as I am concerned, so don't be fooled by it in any way. The agreement between Beijing and London prior to the hand-over in 01 July 1997 says very clearly that Beijing has the right to nominate suitable candidates for Chief Executive of Hong Kong. Nothing more and nothing less. There is no argument about "full" democracy in that piece of paper and there is nothing activists in Hong Kong can do about it. Period. True Hong Kong people "vote" with their feet and not with their hands. Most people do not like to live under any kind of authoritarian or communist regime, and that is understandable.

As for Taiwan, I have amny friends and former co-workers there and none of them are really concerned about China-Taiwan relations in a negative manner. Taiwan's economy is now fully dependent upon China, to the extend that most Taiwanese companies that I know of are siply maintaining a "shell" presence inside Taiwan, while most of their design, engineering, manufacturing, sales and marketing operations are in China. Without the lower costs of land and labor in China these Taiwanese companies with international presence will not survive. That is a fact. Taiwan is now becoming a "hollowed out" economy much like the U.S. as manufacturing gave way to services. Labor in the island has collectively priced themselves out of the international marketplace. Many of h=the high-tech companies that were located in the Hsinchu Sciend-Based Industrial Park that I use to sell products to have either moved or branched out to China over the past 20 years. And if you look carefully, all Taiwan governments, either the Nationalists or the progressive demacrats, have stick to the official name for the territory -- Province of Taiwan, Republic of China. Yes indeed, they know and acknowledge that Taiwan is just a province and a part of China. There is no argument there.
13 Jul 2016


Male
Fr. Australia
@W00ki33
Absolute power corrupts absolutely!

Can you name cases that US government has done good for the world after the cold war ended with USSR?
14 Jul 2016


replied by Sagan on 15:16:30 14 Jul
replied by Sagan on 15:41:55 14 Jul
The US government sent me as a Peace Corps Volunteer to Ukraine to serve as a teacher of English and Pedagogy to high school students in Ukraine in 1994-1995. I was with a large group of other specialists helping to make changes for the better. We all worked hard as volunteers in very challenging circumstances. The US tax payers have been paying for the training and transportation of more than 200,000 of us since 1961. The Peace Corps only goes to countries, such as China, who ask for their assistance.
Today, I'll be having lunch here in Prague with another former PC Volunteer who served in Paraguay. He's hoping to get a job soon with USAID - the agency for international development. We have a mutual friend who has served in USAID in S. Africa and Argentina. We are not spies, missionaries, or others with questionable intent. The Peace Corps and USAID among other American organizations like them do good for the world whether you like it or not, Mr. Choi.
replied by W00ki33 on 19:56:39 15 Jul
iPhone. The personal computer becoming widely available(thanks to the work of Bill Gates, an AMERICAN). UN, NATO, and Peace Corps missions around the world, including peacekeeping. BILLIONS of dollars in financial(and military) aid to MANY countries around the world. The war in Bosnia, the US-led NATO mission, created a lasting peace in an extremely difficult situation, as well as stopping the genocide of Kosovans and other ethnic groups in that area.

Come on, man. Open a book.
Male
Fr. United States
@Choilee The Internet. Yes, I know there are problems with my country, but your hate-mongering is really ridiculous. "USA has done nothing good for the world". You are the owner of WOX and you have blocked several users on here for talking bad about China, yet you can talk bad about my country all day long? That's ridiculous.
14 Jul 2016


Male
Fr. Australia
@W00ki33
BTW, Internet is not created by the Americans.
Don't get me wrong, I don't hate America or the Americans, as a matter of fact, I have many good American friends, and I know many Americans whom I give my respects.

I simply dislike the evil of hegemonies and the prostitution of absolute power.

FYI, I am not WOX and we are separate entities.
14 Jul 2016


replied by W00ki33 on 19:52:16 15 Jul
The ARPANET, the first interconnected computer system, was created by the military in case of nuclear strike. Without the ARPANET, there'd be no internet. And no, don't use the same argument that racists use after they say something ridiculously insulting "I have so many x friends, I can't be against X". You said my country has done nothing to help the world, your words, not mine, then you backpedalled, said "oh just since the cold war". I proved you wrong on this and now you're like "Oh I don't hate America" after saying my country has been nothing but a negative influence in the world. That is extremely rude, and the fact that you have banned people from this site for saying bad things about other countries makes you a total hypocrite.

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