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Fr. China
Topic: US embassy's Thanksgiving Weibo got angry replies

US embassy in China's Thanksgiving weibo got angry responses

 

Last week, US embassy is China tried to promote the 'Thanksgiving Day' via a Sina Weibo post, inviting the weibo users to tell what they know abut the holiday, and this happened:

The majority of the over 5000 posts were about: Native Americans gave food to those dying settlers, and then got massacred and pushed into extinction by them. And the Thanksgiving Day should be named 'Grieving Day'' instead after what the early settlers did to the kind-hearted American Indians.

Indeed, the Thanksgiving Day is ridiculous if you think think it from that side. The drastic population decline, epidemic diseases, genocide and warfare. That's what the holiday celebrating?

20 Nov 2012
Male
Fr. United States
@Northerner/freebird You are missing A TON of history here that tells you a lot more.

The Pilgrims were persecuted in England for their religion, so they came over to what became the colony of Plymouth Rock in 1621. Many of them died in 1622, so the native Americans taught them HOW to grow crops in the very different terrain and catch lobster. They also had very good weather in the year 1623, and they wanted to give thanks to God AND to the native Americans who helped them so much.

The holiday is celebrating brotherhood despite differences, about being grateful for what you have, and about being with family.

Now, the extermination of native Americans did not really begin until Andrew Jackson's presidency (in the early 1800s, 200 YEARS after the pilgrims arrival). It is a very bitter and sad topic in the United States.

You just grouped the initial settlers(many of whom have stayed in that region of the United States) with everyone else that came later, making you both racists by lumping all white settlers together.
Have you read about the many whites who tried to make sure treaties stay enforced? The many whites who tried to stop the genocide? How about the native Americans who fought in the American Revolution, War of 1812, Civil war, World War I and II(matter of fact, President FDR once said "If everyone signed up like the native Americans, the war would be over tomorrow").

So, before you start talking **** about other countries' holidays, look up the history first.
20 Nov 2012


Male
Fr. China
From my middle school history book, I knew the Pilgrims, the Mayflower in 1620, Plymouth Rock, and the Declaration of Independence in 1776.

Of course, the US president DIDN'T order massive killings of the native Americans before the early 1800s. Because your country didn't exist then.

Christopher Columbus 'discovered' the new world in 1492. After that, the expansion of European colonies in Americas caused no massive causalities among the native Americans?

Like I said in the first post, epidemic diseases and warfare were the gifts your ancestors (to be specific, the early settlers) brought to those native Americans. And then they began the massive killings.

First the settlers said this is my land, go away. Then they want more and more. Finally they began the extermination.

'The many whites who tried to stop the genocide?' and 'make sure treaties stay enforced' are still non-sense. They robbed and robbed, pushed the natives to the barren West and said there was the line that I wouldn't cross. You really buy it? Selfish settlers will never be satisfied, even if there were conscious individuals who tried to stop the massacre, but they were just individuals. They couldn't defy what the public were determined to do.

I didn't point my finger at the Pilgrims. I just blamed the early settlers (not the first batch of settlers).

You should feel shameful for what your ancestors did to the Native Americans. This is why the Christians say there are sins in their blood.
20 Nov 2012


Male
Fr. Germany
I'm with Northerner on this topic...except for the last sentence.

"His" ancestors might not have arrived in the US till a couple generations ago, and even if, you cannot hold everybody back then liable for the wrongdoings.
20 Nov 2012


Male
Fr. China
@Carlito: You're right. I should have withdrew the sentence.
20 Nov 2012


Male
Fr. Cocos (Keeling) Islands
"Facing East From Indian Country" by Daniel K. Richter, Harvard University Press, 2001.

Get your facts straight boys, before you start with the platatudes and stereotypes. I am always surprised by the "expertise" granted by Chinese middle-school "history" studies. Particularly about China, but what you know @Northerner about "Indians" is myopic, and biased, at best.

Indians in America celebrate "Un-Thanksgiving" with gatherings called "Pow-Wow". I suggest if you want to know what "Indians" think, go to one. Otherwise, stop with the U.S.A. bashing, and pretending you care about Indians.
20 Nov 2012


Male
Fr. United States
@ northerner...You may want to review the information at the following websites that give a fairly balanced view of the Thanksgiving Holiday history and traditions.

http://www.theholidayspot.com/thanksgiving/history.htm

http://wilstar.com/holidays/thankstr.htm

@ taodogMany Native Americans are more apt to find fault with Columbus Day not Thanksgiving. I have attended a few pow-wows in my day and even a few of them on Thanksgiving. For the most part pow-wow are spiritual events not protest gatherings. It is true that some Native American protest groups used pow-wow gatherings as meeting places from which to promote their agenda but this is not a pow-wows true purpose. I do agree with you if Northerner wants a true view of how Native Americans feel about these events he should sit down and talk with some.

@northerner...you have also seemed to have confused a statement from Christian faith. There are statements in Christian faith that talk about "sins in the blood" but they do not relate to any part of your statement. The statement you might be referring to is "I have blood on my hands" which is a an idiom fro taking blame or responsibility.

@carlito...there are quite a few countries in the world that have practiced genocidal policies; some in Europe, Africa, Asia and the Americas. We should all be reminded of the proverbial message "Let he who Is without sin cast the first stone" when discussing the mistakes that past political leaders have made regarding "policies of expedience!"
20 Nov 2012


Male
Fr. United States
@northerner Um, we were OFFICIALLY a country in 1783(revolution started in 1776). You said we didn't start the purges until the early 1800s. Learn math better.

In addition, Columbus discovered HAITI and the DOMINICAN REPUBLIC! HE NEVER DISCOVERED NORTH AMERICA! AND he thought all of it was INDONESIA!

The war was not one-sided, either. There were MANY mass-killings by native Americans on American villages BEFORE the attempted genocide. Killing and scalping of women and children, rape, looting, treaty-breaking. We did NOT bring warfare to native Americans, look up pre-Columbian history. War was DEFINITELY a regular thing with native Americans.

By the way, NONE (as in ZERO) of my ancestors were in the United States during the Indian Wars. HOW DARE YOU automatically lump me together with genociders! Next you're going to lump Carlito with the Nazis, taodog with the Spaniards who conquered Aruba, or freebird with MILF.

Also, you should look into your own country's history before you talk about the shame I should bear. I won't list specifics here, but you should really look into your own country before you start attacking my country and saying ALL people who came to the USA are evil, native-killing, greedy genocidal maniacs.

You are a racist, ethnocentric, ignorant, and brain-washed idiot who spews hate and the views of the masses BEFORE even learning the facts.
20 Nov 2012


Male
Fr. Cocos (Keeling) Islands
About "kind hearted" First Americans, you may want to consider that on March 22, 1621- What is usually referred to as the "Massacre of 1622," the Patawomeck attack that resulted in the death of 347 English settlers and almost wiped out Jamestown, gave the colonists the excuse they needed to take even more of what they wanted from the indigenous population of the Chesapeake. As far as the survivors of the Massacre of 1622 were concerned, by virtue of launching this unprovoked assault native Americans had forfeited any legal and moral rights they might previously have claimed to the ownership of the lands they occupied.

The Powhatan realized the English settlers were not there to simply trade, but to occupy the territory for the English throne which granted the The London Company sole rights to "Christianize the natives and absorb them into the Colony". The Powhatan thought the English would behave as they would, and submit to Powhatan power, but they did not understand the cultural difference between themselves and the English financiers of The London Company.

"Thanks Giving" as an American holiday has many myths, and contradictions with historical facts, but the point of this holiday, as it has been practiced both by First Americans, and European cultures long before 1610, is to solemly celebrate the peace, and cooperation between people, and cherish the possibility of well being.

http://www.ewebtribe.com/NACulture/articles/thanksgiving.html
This web site contains instructional material developed by Indian educators about "Thanksgiving". Chuck Larson's Introduction is particularly interesting.

For Chinese readers, substitute Native American with Tibetian... think about it.
20 Nov 2012


Male
Fr. China
@taodog Did I ever mention or hint that Native Americans are celebrating Thanksgiving?You are defending the 'glorious' colonial history of European settlers. They robbed lands from native Americans, massacred them and reserved some barren lands for them to show their gratitude.
Next time when you start your words with the platitudes and stereotypes, please give us exact examples. This time you said that Chinese middle-school "history" textbooks were written by the retarded, but gave us no example to show your studies.

@kungfupanda: I knew the tradition of this holiday long time ago. In the first post, I gave no personal feeling, just told the guys here that what's happening outside. I just wanted to remind people of the dark side of the history. I had no intention to bash the United States of America on this special case.And thanks for telling me that I misused an expression.
20 Nov 2012


Male
Fr. United States
@northerner Great job ignoring me, because you have nothing to say.
20 Nov 2012


Male
Fr. Hungary
Getting some popcorn, do continue :)
20 Nov 2012


Male
Fr. United States
@Northerner Not a single person EVER said this was glorious history. Ever. No one ever said anything about your books being written by retarded people either, only that they were ignorant and one-sided.

While you're in your amazingly infallible history book, please tell me about the Great Chinese Famine between 1958 and 1961 or the Cultural Revolution. Or about the history of Tibet.

And you have bashed America MANY times in your f***ing rants and ravings. You have personally attacked ME and my FAMILY. You have racistly and ignorantly said that I should have great shame because white people did horrible things.

Burn in hell, you stupid asshole.
20 Nov 2012


Male
Fr. Cocos (Keeling) Islands
@Northerner-
I didn't say the history books you studied were written by retards, but it is obvious that whatever you studied produced one.
I also didn't defend any colonial history- Your point, that Thanksgiving is ridiculous, and celebrates "The drastic population decline, epidemic diseases, genocide and warfare" is clearly a statement that demonstrates your ignorance.
20 Nov 2012


Male
Fr. United States
@Sebastian Best response ever.
20 Nov 2012


Male
Fr. United Kingdom
Now there was me thinking Thanksgiving was all about eating turkey, watching American football on tv, and then going Christmas shopping.
20 Nov 2012


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